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Floggers and buttplugs make a thin soup for intellectual commentary.
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March 21, 2004
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My Submissive Nature – By Sensuous Sadie
SCENEprofiles Interview with Bob Dern, Co-Producer of the Video "Safe,
Sane, Consensual SM, A Documentary"
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My Submissive Nature
By Sensuous Sadie
SensuousSadie@aol.com
www.sensuoussadie.com
People often tell me stories about when they first realized they were
Submissive or Dominant. In my own case there wasn't a particular instant
when I recognized my own orientation, but rather it grew from unassuming
moments, the kind that I'd dredge up fifteen years later for opening
gambits to my stories. But I do remember when I fell off the fence and
crossed over permanently from vanilla to D/s.
For many years I was mildly bored with vanilla sex. While my lovers were
invariably imaginative, I was irritated and impatient with the loving
"slow hand" of foreplay. My tastes have always run to the rough and
tumble, but it's more than that, much more. They wanted to please me,
but secretly I wanted to be forced to please them. They wanted me to
have multiple orgasms; I wanted my sexuality to be controlled, limited.
They wanted to caress; I wanted to be spanked until I wept.
One day I met and seduced Chris, mostly because he looked how I imagined
a Dominant would look. Tall and muscular, he sported black muscle shirts
and a James Dean air. He had been in jail for some obscure offense, a
bad boy who appealed to the suburban Jersey girl in me. One day, a few
months into the affair, I observed him hanging some plants off the porch
roof. I suggested in a playful way that rather than hanging plants, he
tie me to those plant hooks and have his way with me. His response was
that he could never tie me up, much less do more; it simply wasn't in
his nature. No matter how much I tried to convince him the act would be
consensual, he refused.
That night, I had a long talk with myself. I liked this man, maybe even
loved him, but I knew I could not make a commitment to a person who
could never satisfy me sexually.
I wanted more than I was getting, and it was time to start dating only
men who were in alignment with my needs. I made a commitment to myself
and sealed it with a silver ring, which I wore on my ring finger. It was
a silver lion's head with garnet eyes sparkling with mischief. Like all
decisions, it opened up new paths of exploration. I could not have
imagined how this commitment, this ring would affect my life, from
starting a BDSM community to writing a book on my experiences.
Of course in the beginning, I didn't have a clear idea about what
exactly I wanted or how to get it. Most of the men I dated were what
some people call "vanilla Dominants," regular Joes with a commanding
streak. Usually this translated into a little silk scarf bondage and a
slap on the fanny. Never enough, not for me. Like most novices, I
sampled flavors with a tiny pink spoon and picked a few favorites.
I also began to spend more time thinking about my nature and how it fits
into the scheme of things. For some players, sex is not part of the D/s
equation, or maybe a minor part. For me, sex is the foundation of the
submissive experience. In short, submitting turns me on. My submissive
nature is a sexual orientation, much as being lesbian or gay. I also
observed that the Dominants I knew either had it or they didn't. I came
to the conclusion that this orientation is hard wired in, and because of
this awareness I would never again try to convert a vanilla partner to
the lifestyle.
These choices have limited me in some ways and also freed me. As I have
turned myself over to my nature, I have become more directed as a
person. More confident, more expressive, more myself. It's the same as
when I turn myself over to the spirit within me. Because I know I am in
safe hands, I am able to make choices free of fear. At first, I thought
that making a commitment to a particular path would rule out other
options, limiting me. In fact, committing to something allowed me to go
much farther and deeper on my own path, my right path. It's not that
there are less choices available, rather that I have focused myself on
where I am going. On both the spiritual and sexual levels, I see the
path before me and am following it faithfully. Subspace is not a
destination, but a process of exploring my spiritual way.
There have been a few times when I visited a magical place, more magical
than subspace. There was no stumbling or hesitation, but rather like the
"zipless fuck" where one's clothes fall off effortlessly. I'm not sure
what exactly made these moments happen, whether it was the Dominant's
style or something opening up in me, or maybe a confluence of both. All
the elements were in place: his experience level, his confidence, and
his knowing exactly what needed to be done. My readiness.
Some people might call me a lifestyler, but I don't really see myself
that way. While I'm more involved in the lifestyle than most, the
practice of BDSM is not the larger part of who I am. For a long time I
saw my orientation as a hobby, something I did on the side. It's more
now, if only because I spend so much time thinking and writing about it,
but it's not the balance of my life, only the balance of my writing at
the moment. My writing is more about self-exploration than it is about
BDSM, even when I'm writing about BDSM.
Through this process of sorting things out and writing about them, I
found out how to articulate what I believe about my own submissive
nature. I believe that submitting is a solitary act, something to be
shared only with my Dominant. Playing in public turns my gift into
theatre.
Submitting is a sacred quest, not something to be shared with just
anyone who asks. I will give myself only to someone who shares my path.
Serving is a spiritual expression which lifts me above the mundane. I
will put aside my own needs to serve his. When I can be vulnerable, it
is the deepest expression of my submission, and of myself. When I can
trust my partner completely: physically, emotionally, and spiritually,
then my soul can take flight.
There may not be a moment when everything comes into focus. There have
been a hundred moments which inch-wormed me one bit closer to
understanding my nature, my self. I get it now, and only have to wait
patiently for Him to find me.
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Sensuous Sadie is the author of It's Not About the Whip: Love, Sex,
and Spirituality in the BDSM Scene
(http://www.trafford.com/robots/03-0551.html). She is the founder and
leader (1999 - 2001) of Rose & Thorn, Vermont's first BDSM group.
Comments, compliments and complaints, as well as requests for reprinting
can be addressed to her at SensuousSadie@aol.com or visit her website at
www.sensuoussadie.com . Sadie believes the universe is abundant, and
that sharing information freely is part of this abundance, so she allows
reprints of her writing in most venues.
Copyright 2002 Sadie Sez Publications
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SCENEprofiles Interview with Bob Dern [AKA Greg Roberts], co-producer
of the Video Safe, Sane & Consensual SM – A Documentary
sfbob69@yahoo.com
www.sfbob.com
SENSUOUS SADIE: You co-produced the video, "Safe Sane Consensual SM -
A Documentary" with Ann Soucy-West which was released in 1992. What
motivated you to do a documentary on the lifestyle? What was your
approach to educating people at that time?
BOB DERN: "One day in 1991 Ann and I were discussing how the effects of
the news coverage of the Jeffrey Dahlmer horror stories were casting a
very negative light on the topic of SM. I already had the video
equipment, etc. from Rigid Video (my short-lived) attempt at being a XXX
porn video producer, and Ann was very connected within the SM community,
much more than myself. We thought about the idea a lot, and after a
month or two we developed a list of 15 or so questions to send to the
participants. When they were ready, we met with each of them,
individually, and taped their responses, accumulating over 20 hours of
tape to condense down to 85 minutes. That part was the hardest part of
all.
"Our approach to the project was to produce an interview-style
documentary that "middle-America" and others interested in learning more
about SM would be able to watch and learn from, without being offended
or "put off" by content that was too graphic. One interview was taped
while in her dungeon, so there are some good visuals of one person's
dungeon space. That approach did produce negative comments from some
viewers/reviewers complaining that there were not enough actual scenes
portraying SM action. There was a flogging scene included which came
from the Thank You party we threw for all the participants. I happened
to be watching this scene with the camera when the bottom said "yellow."
The top immediately stopped the flogging, began stoking the bottom's
back, and then turned to the camera to explain what had just happened
and what the concept of "safe words" was all about.
"The tape was marketed for about a year with The American Association of
Sex Educators, Counselors and Therapists newsletter, and resulted in
about 200 video sales to therapists all over the U.S. who needed to
better understand the topic to better counsel their clients."
Sadie: How has your practice of BDSM changed in the ten years since
you completed the video?
Bob: "Truthfully, it has changed quite a lot. When the video was made, I
was fairly active with SM and attended SM play parties frequently. My
favorite activities primarily being electrical play and flogging, both
as a bottom, primarily, but also as a top. In 1994 I met Sunny and we
enjoyed a wonderful relationship for the next four years. SM was not
part of that relationship. (To this day, Sunny continues to be my
closest friend, something for which I'm truly grateful.) After we broke
up in 1998, my primary focus moved on to having lots of sexual play with
men found on the various on-line sex sites, both one-on-one action and
groups up to about five or so. My studio condo converts to a play-space
in short order, and the canvas sling hangs in the middle of the room. (A
small image of this space is on my sfbob.com website). I'd say the one
SM item often well received by current play partners is the violet wand.
It's an old unit, probably 40-50 years old maybe, with a large box with
a rheostat and a hand-held unit into which glass attachments can be
inserted. My favorite is the large glass globe unit that I hold onto
with one hand while hovering over a playmate until the arching of
electricity occurs, maybe at our nipples, dicks or balls. Lightly
caressing his body with my fingertips is also much fun.
"Another thing that's changed is my energy level from mid 40's to mid
50's. In addition, last January I had a major six-hour surgery on my
neck to fuse the lower 3 disks together and a titanium plate was
permanently attached to the front side of my neck. I feel fine, and the
surgeon says it's all ok, but I still wonder if I could handle an
intense flogging scene like used to occur in the early 1990's, the HIGH
point of which will always be me bottoming to Joseph Bean in an SM demo
in front of 600 students at SF State University. The 20 minutes of
non-stop flogging with various floggers was intense and I loved it, and
by the end the endorphins had sent me way through the roof of the
auditorium. It was difficult to focus on the succeeding 40 minutes of
good questions from the students.
"So, I'd say my involvement with SM has changed during the past 10
years, but its concepts are still with me.
Sadie: The foundation of the today's BDSM culture was the gay leather
community and the "old guard." With BDSM increasingly being
mainstreamed, what do you feel has been lost or gained in the process of
the last 20 or 30 years?
Bob: "There are certainly some I know who are "old guard" and don't care
for some of the changes that are occurring. For me, change is good, and
provides an opportunity for "old guard" members to share their insights
and history with newer members, and to also learn of new approaches and
ideas being offered up by these newer members. I was recently a judge at
a local leather title contest, and the contestants covered a wide range
of appearances, including a very young pierced and wonderfully tattooed
young man. As the other judges asked their questions, I quickly
discovered that this young man had already accumulated a wealth of
experiences and ideas on how to improve upon the status quo. He did
impress me a lot!"
Sadie: The coming out of the BDSM community has often been compared
to the coming out of the gay/lesbian community twenty years ago. Do you
think this simile is an apt one? What will we face that will be easier
or more difficult than what the gay community faced historically?
Bob: "Over the past twenty years or so, the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and
Transgender (LGBT) community (my "Old Guard" hat still thinks "Gay
Community") has become more accepted by the public in general, perhaps
because of this "coming out" process and the realization by the
"straight" community that we do, in fact, have friends, acquaintances,
business associates, etc. who belong to the LGBT community.
"I suspect that the coming out of the BDSM community, whether
straight or gay, will be much harder to achieve. It's a subset of our
larger communities, and the idea of BDSM, even within our own
communities, is still often scoffed at.
"Perhaps the question really is: "just how far out does the BDSM
community really need to go in relationship to the overall public
community?" I can recall being in NYC in the early 1970's and feeling
the excitement of going to some of the gay bars, and especially going to
Studio 54, where the sexual energy was extremely high. It was nothing
like I could ever imagine back in rural Vermont. It did so seem like a
secret world I'd just discovered. I've heard, too, from older gays that
the mystique of the secretiveness in which they lived (to avoid arrest,
public harassment, etc.) was an exciting situation which pretty much
doesn't exist today, at least within the larger LGBT community. Perhaps
keeping BDSM within our own communities and not trying to expose it to
the entire world is something for us to consider. (ok, how many toes
have I've stepped on with this thought?!)."
Sadie: Please tell me about your association with Mama's Family.
(www.mamasfamily.org http://www.mamasfamily.org/)
Bob: "Mama's Family started as a light-hearted joke sort of thing in the
early 1990's between Mama and a well-known local artist who often could
be found around town appearing as 'Ernestine'. Mama (Sandy 'Mama'
Reinhardt) is the most wonderful straight Black woman I've ever met who
runs a child day care business in a town to the East of San Francisco
during the day. Mama is an extremely caring and loving person who
continually does everything she can to help out needy causes that she
feels strongly about all throughout the year. Her personal choices of
Organizations and individuals she chooses to follow and support are, of
course, her choices, but we all here in the San Francisco Bay Area
Leather Community, the San Francisco Imperial Court, The San Francisco
Ducal Court, The AIDS Emergency Fund, The Breast Cancer Awareness Fund,
Positive Resource Center, the list goes on and on. They all LOVE this
amazing and wonderful woman for coming into all of our lives to make
things better wherever she sees she can do that.
"Mama is also found attending as many events and fundraisers as
possible, sometimes bouncing from the Russian River 80 miles north of
here back down to SF to attend yet one (or more) other events happening
on the same day. She also frequently came be found serving as a Judge at
various contests. Right now she is asking all the Family members via
e-mails to help out however they can with a number of fundraisers
between now and the end of November or early December that are being
held to help obtain 2002 (Qty) toys and as much cash as possible to be
donated to Camp Starburst, a camp that helps children 17 years old and
younger who are living with HIV or AIDS. Their website is
www.sunburstprojects.org http://www.sunburstprojects.org/ in case any
reader wishes to help them out. I'm honored to have been pinned Mama's
Twisted CPA in 2001, and I wear the bronze pin proudly and try to do
what I can to help Mama raise the very, very large sums of money she
does raise each year."
Sadie: You are a native Vermonter, but now reside in the hotbed of San
Francisco. (literally as well as figuratively). As you may or may not
know, the Vermont community is only a few years old, with the first
group being founded (by me) in 1999. When you were in Vermont, did you
find any venues to explore BDSM?
Bob: "I left Vermont to go to college in the fall of 1966. Prior to that
time, I never knew of any venues in VT at which to explore BDSM. In
retrospect, I suspect such spaces existed, but I never connected with
them. The one "venue" I did discover was electric fences around the cow
pasture just above our home. Unfortunately, at about age seven, the
connection between electric fences and SM activity was completely lost
on me."
Sadie: What do you miss about our beautiful green mountains?
Bob: "The memories of VT, my Mom's cottage on Lake St. Catherine, the
state's rural setting, marble quarries to swim nude in, dirt-covered
back roads, large old houses and red barns all are things I miss being
around.
"But there also was the really awful feeling of being all alone while
growing up there. Other than one guy who lived on the same road as me
with whom I had occasional sex, I didn't have anyone to talk to about my
feelings towards other men. Until age 23, when I came out and moved back
to Boston, I frequently considered taking the 100 or so seconal
(sleeping pills) I had on hand. Thank God that didn't happen. A lot of
great things have happened in the following 31 years!
"I also suspect, given the ruralness of VT, that it's much easier for
couples to live comfortably in VT over singles. For this reason, I doubt
I'll ever go back to VT, even with the ridiculously low real estate
prices, offset in big part by the horrible winter months! Yuk."
Sadie: In your vanilla life you are a tax accountant, and in your
BDSM life you are a film producer and pretty out there guy. In what ways
do these different aspects of your life affect or not affect the other?
Bob: "Yeah, I guess you're right about me being a "pretty out there
guy." My business client base is primarily from within the LGBT
community, although I do have a few straight married couples for whom I
perform tax services. For totally new clients who call about my
services, if it isn't obvious from their initial comments I will explain
to them that my primary client base is with the LGBT community. If
that's a problem for them, I suggest they find another tax practitioner.
I advertise in the weekly gay newspaper, the Bay Area Reporter, and also
in special event Programs, especially the annual Folsom Street Fair
Program.
"When the two XXX movies were made in the early 1990's, I did use my
pseudonym, "Greg Roberts," to keep some separation from my daytime
business. That pseudonym carried over to the SadieCSM documentary,
although in retrospect that was not necessary at all. I did go by Greg
Roberts virtually all the time for several years (outside of my day
job).
"And, there's even a third "persona" who existed around the same time in
the early 1990's. His name was "Jeff" and part of his story is scheduled
to be included in an upcoming book due to be released sometime in 2003
by Alyson Books."
Sadie: Your video "Safe, Sane, & Consensual" includes an interview
with Billy Lane, a FTM (female-to-male), and your primary play partner
in the early 1990's. What are the particular issues that you faced being
involved with a transgendered person?
Bob: "No issues for me, at all. I'd known Billy from the time when
he was going by his earlier (female) name, and watched as he progressed
to his real male self. He was always a great friend to be around, lots
of fun and LOTS of intensity. Maybe his also having "Squeeze," a rather
dumb but fun to play with boa constrictor, also caught my attention.
Billy now lives in Seattle, so I only see him on occasion these days.
Billy and I especially liked play with a stun gun.
"The only other person who occasionally caught me on the street to try
out his stun gun on was Matt, another FTM."
Sadie: You produced, directed and starred in two XXX videos by Rigid
Video, Incorporated. Can you tell me about this experience and how it
changed you?
Bob: "I've often thought that I did in my early 40's what many others
did in their early 20's, yes maybe a mid-life sort of thing, but did I
care, NO! The creation of Rigid Video was an offshoot of my work with
Sande Mack and his twice-weekly TV show, "Electric City Cheap TV" which
aired on public access cable TV.
"While only two movies were produced, they were much fun putting
together. I'd meet possible actors at the gym or even on the sidewalk.
If they looked like they would be a good fit (all types wanted, except
the blond, blue-eyed types so often found in swimming pools in other
movies) I'd ask them if they'd like to be in a movie. Many said yes, and
the Producer's interview then occurred <G>.
"One actor I interviewed had just moved to town and was looking to make
some real money. He had a striking appearance and great smile! I
suggested he consider running a sex ad in the local gay paper. I helped
him put together his first ad, and for many years afterwards he was a
very successful sex worker.
"The first movie had eleven guys in it, and the second and final movie
had nine guys in it. Locations were all around town and included a pool
table fuck scene done at one of the well-known local leather bars.
"Yet another non-typical accountant-type thing to have included in my
life's story.
"All of the events that occurred in the early 1990's happened, in large
part, because I was (and still am) an outgoing and friendly type of guy.
The production of all three video tapes also allowed me to get to know
many new friends from the SM community. From the XXX interviews I also
got to meet a number of sex workers here in town.
"Both of the XXX tapes, plus the SadieCSM tape, are lying flat on top of
a filing cabinet in my office. Occasionally a client will spot them and
they are intrigued about this piece of my life, and want to know all
about them."
Sadie: Around 1955, when you were about seven years old, you describe
grabbing onto the electric fences around the farmer's cow pastures and
enjoying those electrical charges, often for a good long time. May I
assume that you still have a passion for electrical play? What other
BDSM interests do you have?
Bob: "Well, I guess by some of my comments above, you can see that
electrical play has always interested me, and still does to this day.
Other than electrical play, flogging was high on my list in the past and
is something I'd like to again try if my new and improved neck
cooperates! I do still love nipple play with fingers (connected to Tops
who know how to really use those fingers), and with non-adjustable
clamps.
"Another related item I still enjoy are those very small black all
plastic clamps (like mini clothespins) that are intense. Removing them
is the most intense part of all. Yes!
"And, my playspace has items that look so innocent to the unknowing. A
simple leather strap, thin, maybe a half-inch wide, and long, two to
three feet maybe, is great to wrap up the base of someone's dick and
balls. Add a blind-fold and then let your play partner forget all about
the leather strap. Later on when the time seems right grab hold of the
end of the strap and pull. Use some caution and common sense with this
trick, (concepts to always play by), because it can be very painful to
the Bottom (and by this I mean passing the "pleasure" area and going on
further to just plain pain)."
Sadie: Your website includes such personal information as your dick
size (6 1/2") and your BDSM interests, including fisting, electricity,
mirrors, and sweat. Why do you include such personal things in a venue
that can be read by anyone on the planet?
Bob: "Exposure Exposure Exposure! It's a great place to refer new
friends to better understand who I am. One of my sites proved fruitful
during my first trip to Amsterdam in the summer of 2000. I walked into
the Web Bar in the afternoon of my first day there, wearing a tee-shirt,
and the bartender, Peter, asked me to take off the tee-shirt. When I
did, he said I know you, I've seen you on your website. When he got off
work he gave me a very private "Welcome to Amsterdam" hello upstairs in
one of the dark rooms."
Sadie: Do you really have a fantasy about doing a German Shepherd? Is
this just sex, or are you planning on tying up the poor dog in Japanese
rope bondage? Seriously though, what are your feelings about the ability
of animals to practice real consent?
Bob: "Oh Sadie, you've got the roles reversed! I'm the bitch in that
fantasy, on the bottom on all fours, with the large male dog on top of
me. So, I suspect he would be signaling his consent when he mounted me.
I may never experience this fantasy in real life, but have seen many
pictures of this action. Yes, perhaps this thought puts me in a very,
very small subset of our community, but I know I'm not alone."
Sadie: You were named San Francisco Leather Daddy's boy XVIII in
September 2000. To many not familiar with the history of BDSM, the idea
of the "Leather Man," much less the "Leather Daddy's boy" is a bit
fuzzy. Can you explain first what it means to you to be a Leather Man,
and also about being a boy and what the title is about?
Bob: "I'm not the most qualified person here in San Francisco to discuss
the significance of being a Leatherman or of being a boy, but to me,
being a Leatherman means being a part of a large group of individuals
who feel bonded together by the values they live by including integrity,
honesty and caring for those in the Community (and elsewhere) who are in
need of help. And 'Leatherman' certainly includes 'Leatherwoman' by all
means!
"I moved to SF in 1978, and by 1981 or 1982, many close friends of mine
started dying left and right. The Obituary section in The Bay Area
Reporter went from maybe one or two obits a week pre-AIDS, to generally
one to two full pages of death notices every week. I saw one of my good
friends, Patrick, at a Sunday night meeting where he looked just fine.
Either one or two days later I walked into the Cove Café where he worked
and you could hear a pin drop. Solange then told me Patrick had died. He
was 30 years old. I was in a state of shock over his passing. With all
this horror and sickness and dying all around us, there was this one
very special group that immediately jumped in to help do whatever they
could do to help for the next decade and more.
"This was, of course, the Leatherwomen of San Francisco. They helped
endlessly through all those years, and it is now so wonderful to see the
Leathermen of San Francisco return that favor by sponsoring The Breast
Cancer Emergency Fund among other things. Personally, I was asked in
1984 to become a participant in the newly formed San Francisco Men's
Health Study, which continues in a limited format today I believe. I was
a plasma donor for North American Biologicals and Hemacare when they
were in SF in the early and mid-1990's. The plasma being collected was
hopefully going to help find a way to prevent to transmission of the
AIDS virus from mother to child. And I also was part of the Anal Cancer
Study for a number of years until funding ended a few years ago.
"Now you'd like me to tell you how it feels to be a boy. First, as I
said at the September 2000 San Francisco Leather Daddy's boy XVIII
Contest, to me age is a state of mind. Anyone at any age can be a boy.
Truthfully, I've spent a lot of the 24 years here in San Francisco
observing and not getting really involved, with several exceptions to
that over the years. So, when my friend Keith Truitt became San
Francisco Leather Daddy XVIII in July 2000, I knew I would run for the
boy title in September so I could be there for him and with him during
the upcoming year. I did win, and he and I represented our titles well
around the City and the Bay Area at fundraising events and our own
various fundraisers. This Daddy and boy combination still goes out to
support functions and fundraisers, such as the Mr. & Miss Gay San
Francisco Pageant Event that occurred last Saturday evening, 10/19/02.
"It's also important to understand that a boy in our boy Community is
not necessarily a male. There are women who also comfortably identify
themselves as a boy.
"In June of this year jack and scott formed the San Francisco boys Of
Leather. Both of them and several other individuals urged me to join. I
did hesitate for several months, but finally realized that I would not
know for sure how much I would like being with the Group until I started
attending their meetings. I attended my first meeting of SfbOL two
Saturday's ago. I discovered a wonderful mix of Boys/boys/bois at the
meeting. It felt good attending the meeting, and I hope to give the
Group a reasonable length of time to see if I wish to join and for the
group to see if they want me in the Group."
Sadie: Is there anything else you'd like to share with our readers?
Bob: "There's a motto I've lived by for a long, long time:
"Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained - If you want something, go for it!
"The most someone can say is "fuck off" and you move on. But, if you
never ask, you'll never know what might have happened. Just recently, I
was having some drinks with a friend of mine at a local bar. We were in
the outside patio area, and I noticed this very handsome man sitting all
by himself. My friend said, "oh, he wouldn't be interested in us, he's
probably got a lover, blah, blah, blah!" Well, I walked over to the guy
and said Hi and asked him how his day had gone. He turned out to have
just moved to SF within the last month, was very friendly, and the three
of us chatted for about an hour. He especially liked my friend's Atlanta
accent.
"Thank you so very much for interviewing me!"
Sadie: Thank you! It's been my pleasure.
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Copyright 2003 Sadie Sez Publications
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ABOUT SADIE AND THE MISSION OF THIS NEWSLETTER
I'm Sensuous Sadie, editor and all around diva of this publication. I'm
the author of : It's Not About the Whip: Love, Sex, and Spirituality in
the BDSM Scene
http://www.trafford.com/robots/03-0551.html as well as
founder and leader (1999-2001) of Rose & Thorn, Vermont's first BDSM
group. SCENEsubmissions is a venue for information on BDSM and
spirituality, exploring BDSM not as a conduit for toys and protocol, but
as an erotica mystica. You can also find more information about these
topics on my website in the BDSM & Spirituality section.
You can reach me at SensuousSadie@aol.com
or visit my website (and see a hot photo of me) at
www.sensuoussadie.com
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ongoing writing projects. You do not need to be published, but we want
people who will be engaged in offering and accepting feedback. To join,
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PUBLISHING POLICY
This newsletter follows standard copyrighting practice regarding all
articles and poetry which are reprinted with explicit permission of the
authors. "Fair use" guidelines are followed regarding quotes. The Fair
Use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute states it is permissible to
use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as
commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports and that
"In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is
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substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work
as a whole." This is normally interpreted in legal cases to include 20%
or less of a complete work.
Easy to read information on copyright:
10 Big Myths about copyright explained: An attempt to answer common
myths about copyright seen on the net and cover issues related to
copyright and USENET/Internet publication.
By Brad Templeton
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
Copyright 2004 Sadie Sez Publications
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